{"id":20037810,"date":"2020-09-08T14:00:44","date_gmt":"2020-09-08T08:30:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.thethirdpole.net\/?p=37810"},"modified":"2021-04-01T21:39:50","modified_gmt":"2021-04-01T16:09:50","slug":"interview-indian-poet-sudeep-sen-on-the-third-pole","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/climate\/interview-indian-poet-sudeep-sen-on-the-third-pole\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Indian poet Sudeep Sen on The Third Pole"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In early July, an unusual submission arrived in <a href=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/\">The Third Pole<\/a>\u2019s inbox. It was a poem, written by acclaimed writer Sudeep Sen and inspired by our coverage. Intrigued, we spoke with Sen to discuss the poem, climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-37812 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/The_Third_Pole_image_poem.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1186\" height=\"1690\"><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?url=https%3A\/\/api.soundcloud.com\/tracks\/889635076&amp;color=%23ff5500&amp;auto_play=false&amp;hide_related=false&amp;show_comments=true&amp;show_user=true&amp;show_reposts=false&amp;show_teaser=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: 10px; color: #cccccc; line-break: anywhere; word-break: normal; overflow: hidden; white-space: nowrap; text-overflow: ellipsis; font-family: Interstate,Lucida Grande,Lucida Sans Unicode,Lucida Sans,Garuda,Verdana,Tahoma,sans-serif; font-weight: 100;\"><a style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" title=\"User 219410288\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/user-219410288\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">User 219410288<\/a> \u00b7 <a style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" title=\"The Third Pole Sept 6, 2020\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/user-219410288\/the-third-pole-sept-6-2020\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Third Pole Sept 6, 2020<\/a><\/div>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?url=https%3A\/\/api.soundcloud.com\/tracks\/889636252&amp;color=%23ff5500&amp;auto_play=false&amp;hide_related=false&amp;show_comments=true&amp;show_user=true&amp;show_reposts=false&amp;show_teaser=true\" width=\"100%\" height=\"166\" frameborder=\"no\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: 10px; color: #cccccc; line-break: anywhere; word-break: normal; overflow: hidden; white-space: nowrap; text-overflow: ellipsis; font-family: Interstate,Lucida Grande,Lucida Sans Unicode,Lucida Sans,Garuda,Verdana,Tahoma,sans-serif; font-weight: 100;\"><a style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" title=\"User 219410288\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/user-219410288\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">User 219410288<\/a> \u00b7 <a style=\"color: #cccccc; text-decoration: none;\" title=\"The Third Pole, Bengali\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/user-219410288\/the-third-pole-bengali\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Third Pole, Bengali<\/a><\/div>\n<p>\u201cPoets have always been thinking about climate change. When things are going well, most people don\u2019t pay attention to poetry \u2013 which is why you think nobody is writing about climate change,\u201d Sudeep Sen told me.<\/p>\n<p>I had wondered aloud whether more poetry has been written about climate change in the past two years, in tandem with rising general awareness and alarm. Sen (who has been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.outlookindia.com\/magazine\/story\/pure-silence-like-a-solitary-petal\/294417\">described<\/a> by the politician and author Shashi Tharoor as \u201ca poet who is rapidly becoming the best-known Indian poetic voice of his generation working in English\u201d) rejected this.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPoetry about climate change has always been out there, it\u2019s just that now it is being noticed more,\u201d he said. \u201cWhen certain things make the front-page news then people start focusing on it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I asked what inspired him to write his latest poem.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhen I was writing \u2018The Third Pole\u2019, I had no intention of writing a climate change poem or a water-resource poem. I was just fascinated with the idea of an alternate pole.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe name itself got me thinking. You tend to think in sort of a bipolar way \u2013 the north and the south, the traditional poles. If you think of the Himalayas as the centre, the whole map shifts.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAll these thoughts were brewing in my head, and it also happened to be the Dalai Lama\u2019s birthday the day I was deeply engrossed in this incipient idea.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>As a student, Sen was very interested in science. Fibre optics was a passion, and he also considered pursuing physics or becoming an architect. \u201cSo much of science informs my poetry,\u201d he said. \u201cThis particular poem draws from science; it is responding to scientific and geological forces.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The poem is written in couplets, Sen said, to allude to the two poles \u201cand the constant tug between man and nature\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFor the same reasons, the poem is in two sections \u2013 representing the two poles, with the third pole as the invisible \u2013 or the new \u2013 pole,\u201d he added.<\/p>\n<h2>The Dalai Lama, laughter and humanity<\/h2>\n<p>There is a sense of slow momentum in \u2018The Third Pole\u2019; of great forces being set in motion. The poet watches as the landscape literally \u201cdissolves\u201d. But in the second half of the poem, in the context of hope to \u201carrest the glacial slide\u201d, the Dalai Lama is mentioned.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe is such an eco-warrior,\u201d said Sen. \u201cAny enlightened person is an eco-warrior. Nothing is really divorced from anything else. If you are really looking at things in a holistic and global way, then there isn\u2019t a separated or isolated way of looking \u2013&nbsp;and the Dalai Lama embodies so much of this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Having fled Tibet in 1959, the Dalai Lama has spent most of his life in India. As a figure with ties to both India and China, Sen said he has become \u201clike the third pole himself\u201d \u2013&nbsp;occupying an in-between space in relation to the two countries.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHe has this childlike cackle: these serious interviewers go and interview him, and he appears to be laughing away and cracking jokes. Of course, he slips in all the important teachings and ideas he needs to. It is wonderful that he can be like that, because that comes with the highest form of knowledge. Humanity and laughter, and peace and wonder, are more important than the grief that surrounds us.\u201d<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_37825\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37825\" style=\"width: 2500px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-37825 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/The_Third_Pole_-Dharamshala_Kabini_Amin.jpg\" alt=\"The Third Pole, Dharamshala, Kabini Amin\" width=\"2500\" height=\"1875\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37825\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Illustration inspired by the second verse of &#8216;The Third Pole&#8217; [Image by: Kabini Amin]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h2>Productivity and the pandemic<\/h2>\n<p>I remarked that many people with literary inclinations have been disappointed with their output since March. At the start of the lockdown, there was much talk of first novels finally being written, instruments being learnt and languages picked up. Subsequent comment pieces bemoaning the authors\u2019 lack of artistic productivity have proliferated.<\/p>\n<p><strong>See:<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/2020\/09\/08\/the-pakistani-childrens-author-focusing-on-the-planet\/\">The Pakistani children\u2019s author focusing on the planet<\/a><\/p>\n<p>That has not been the case with Sen. His poem, \u2018Love in the Time of Corona\u2019, <a href=\"https:\/\/indianexpress.com\/article\/cities\/chandigarh\/a-poet-and-a-filmmakers-creative-collaboration-a-short-film-called-love-in-the-time-of-corona-6461381\/\">was published<\/a> in <em>The Indian Express<\/em> in April. It was quickly picked up by newspapers, magazines and anthologies across South Asia and internationally. He has also put together a new volume of poetry, <em>Anthropocene: Climate Change, Contagion, Consolation, <\/em>which brings together material written over 20 years.<\/p>\n<p>During the early days of India\u2019s lockdown, every day Sen photographed the same view of the sky from his terrace. \u201cIt is astonishing how the same spot in the sky changes day to day \u2013 so that became a section of the new book&#8221;.<\/p>\n<h2>Poetry and crisis<\/h2>\n<p>If more people read poetry, I asked, would societies be better equipped to deal with times of crisis?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople who would turn to quieter things in life would benefit certainly. It has always been the case,\u201d Sen responded.<\/p>\n<p>However, he took issue with the phrasing of the question.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople keep saying, \u2018It is a time of crisis\u2019, but to me it is really just part of a larger churn. The pandemic was bound to happen because of man-induced problems.<\/p>\n<h2>Seeking balance<\/h2>\n<p>\u201cJust like the Earth tries to seek its own balance by shifting tectonic plates and causing earthquakes, floods and so on,\u201d Sen said, the Dalai Lama in \u2018The Third Pole\u2019 represents someone \u201cwho is trying to bring in peace and harmony and balance\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>He added, \u201cThere is a reason that all this churn happens \u2013 some of it causes devastation and some of it causes remoulding and remaking. The Himalayas wouldn\u2019t exist if there weren\u2019t all these tectonic shifts.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>When Sen wrote \u2018The Third Pole\u2019, the worst clash in 45 years between Indian and Chinese troops had just happened in the Himalayan region of Ladakh. Was that on his mind? \u201cPolitics is always, if not in the forefront, very much omnipresent \u2013 how can it not be?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>This prompted him to lament the ills of populist governments, corruption, capitalism, overconsumption and needless poverty. \u201cThere are often so many insidious forces,\u201d Sen summarised. \u201cBut you know, you just concentrate on what one can do and just get on with it. Being as kind and civil, creative and proactive, as possible. You have to sleep peacefully at the end of the day.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>\u2018Anthropocene: Climate Change, Contagion, Consolation\u2019<\/em><em> by Sudeep Sen is an upcoming book of poetry, prose and photography.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A conversation with the internationally acclaimed poet, editor and writer about \u2018The Third Pole\u2019, the pandemic and climate 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