{"id":20093311,"date":"2022-06-24T12:30:00","date_gmt":"2022-06-24T07:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.thethirdpole.net\/?p=93311"},"modified":"2022-07-05T16:51:13","modified_gmt":"2022-07-05T11:21:13","slug":"interview-umer-karim-hydropower-pakistan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/energy\/interview-umer-karim-hydropower-pakistan\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: \u2018The narrative around hydro in Pakistan remains superficial\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

More than 80% of the population in Pakistan faces<\/a> \u2018severe water scarcity\u2019. Without change, this is projected to increase. With the water crisis looming over the country, Umer Karim, a development sector professional, sat down with The Third Pole. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Umer<\/div>
Umer Karim is an expert in irrigation and water management<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Karim has been working in the field of irrigation and water management for more than 20 years and is a consultant with public and private sector organisations, as well as a regular guest speaker and media commentator.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

He discussed dams, Pakistan\u2019s water and energy crisis, and the challenges of managing data and water. The interview has been edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Can you explain the debate around dams in Pakistan?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

In 2010, all the provinces had a consensus<\/a> on the Diamer Bhasha dam<\/a> [a dam being built in northwest Pakistan, which will be one of the highest in the world when finished]. However now the project is taking a lot of flak. It is difficult to understand why they signed the agreement, if it is now believed that we will suffer and dry up as a result.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Some people propose that small dams should be built in provinces. Please invite them to visit Chotiari reservoir, a small dam built on the Nara Canal in Sindh in 1996. No doubt it\u2019s very helpful and caters to the needs of downstream areas of Umerkot and Tharparkar whenever there is a shortage of water. But people living near the banks of this dam are badly affected by waterlogging, salinity and land degradation. Small dams may be valuable in sustaining communities, but they need proper operation and maintenance plus remedial measures for waterlogging and seepage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Usually, dams are built in areas where issues of waterlogging and salinity are expected to have the least impact. Tarbela dam, for example, recharges the area\u2019s water tables and keeps them fresh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

One of the disadvantages of dams is that most of the water is diverted for agriculture<\/blockquote>Umer Karim<\/cite><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

Among people interested in the environmental pros and cons of hydropower, there are plenty of discussions, but technical or scientific research or data is not included. The narrative around hydros, therefore, remains superficial.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This year, we did not have water [stored in] dams. Tarbela was emptied for repair work on its tunnels during the dry \u2013 winter \u2013 period, and Mangla had to provide support for those areas in Pakistan\u2019s upper reaches. We are essentially on a direct natural flow of the river, which remained lower than average due to low temperatures at glaciers, and this created multiple problems especially for lower riparian areas. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Water storage in dams is not only for consistency but also provides a buffer, which means we have a backup for water all year round. Dams serve the same purpose that water tanks do in homes for storage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Given the current power and electricity crisis in Pakistan, what do you think is a sustainable way to produce energy?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

There are three things needed for the progress of this country. Cheap, sustainable energy is the first, followed by low-cost manpower and inexpensive raw material.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Today as a nation we have created a serious economic imbalance and now are experiencing serious economic crises. Pakistan currently has a circular debt<\/a> of 1.6 trillion Pakistani rupees (USD 7.7 billion) in the oil and gas sectors; it is close to PKR 2.5 trillion (USD 12 billion) for the power sector only. In 2013, the then-federal government cleared the circular debt<\/a> and brought it to zero, but by 2017 it had again gone up to PKR 480 billion<\/a> and today it is multiplied by four times. In comparison, the total cost of constructing Diamer Bhasha is around PKR 1.5 trillion. In the entire economic crisis of our country, the main issue is our circular debt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What is circular debt?<\/span>
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Circular debt in the energy sector refers to the inability of the government, consumers, suppliers and distribution companies to manage liquidity, where each of the stakeholders owes the others, making it difficult for the financial system to manage.<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n

From 1975 [for almost 20 years] we did not build any dams. Further we started [to fall] in love with thermal power generation, importing fuel and coal at an immense environmental cost \u2013 more than hydropower.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Nor can solar or wind power totally substitute the need, and they have their own environmental costs. Wind turbines are made of fiberglass; by the way, where will we dump them after 20 years, when they reach the end of their lifecycle? There are also additional costs of buying such technology from overseas, and the heavy interest that we incur. Most importantly, if these renewable sources are unable to provide power \u2013 due to lack of wind or light \u2013 when it is needed, do we again have to instantly restart thermal plants?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are you saying that no matter how you produce energy, there will be some environmental damage?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you think hydropower will provide a stable, cheap and local source of energy, and this will help deal with circular debt?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The problem of circular debt started when we opposed affordable hydropower and switched towards thermal generation with expensive fuels\u2026 further, this electricity being so expensive, we tried to subsidise it; even then, the actual cost was not recovered and circular debt started rising.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What about the link between irrigation for crops and hydropower dams?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

Water and agriculture are tied together; there are specific times when we need water for crops, as with urban and industrial water supplies. Due to dams, the reliability of water flow increases, but my hypothesis is so does its use. In particular, our agriculture consumption has gone up. It is increasing constantly, and we are not measuring the cropped area properly, so nobody knows what is happening. But we do know that the number of sugar mills in the country has continuously increased in the past 30 years. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

We must bear in mind that when we gauge the percentage of water used per sector, over 90% is used by the agricultural sector<\/a> and the rest by urban and industrial users in Pakistan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n