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In the next five years, China will overhaul its environmental governance to deliver a system that is<\/span> \u201cclear in its direction\u201d, \u201cscientific in decision making\u201d, \u201cstrong in enforcement\u201d, \u201ceffective in its incentives\u201d and \u201cwide in participation\u201d, according to guidance<\/a> issued on 3 March by the Central Committee and the State Council.<\/p>\n

The guidelines follow a call from the Central Committee last November to \u201cpromote the modernisation of China\u2019s governance systems and capacities\u201d. They are built around the principles of leadership by the Party, multi-stakeholder governance, market orientation and law-based governance, and include 28 key points for reform across seven fields including government supervision, corporate responsibility and public participation.<\/span><\/p>\n

To avoid making the old mistake of relaxing protections for the sake of a boost to the economy we need to… make more use of the market and public oversight.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

In 2012, at the start of Xi Jinping\u2019s presidency, Ma Jun, director of the Institute for Public and Environmental Affairs (IPE), <\/span>wrote<\/a> of his expectations for reform of China\u2019s environmental governance in the coming decade. A leader of the country\u2019s environmental NGO sector, since 2012 Ma has been working to foster greater transparency. To that end, the IPE has produced the Blue Map app<\/a> so the public can check live pollution data from nearby factories, as well as an annual evaluation<\/a> of government environmental transparency. These are regarded as models of positive interaction between government and the public on governance.<\/p>\n

China Dialogue caught up with Ma to discuss the new guidance.<\/p>\n

Where would you place these guidelines within China\u2019s existing environmental legislation and policies?<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

We all know that a joint guidance from the Central Committee and the State Council is hugely important, as it reflects the thinking of China\u2019s top leadership. These views will gradually be embodied as principles in all aspects of legislation, policy and implementation.<\/p>\n

What does \u201cmodernisation\u201d mean here?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

This is new language, linked with recent calls to modernise national governance in general. In terms of actual content, the guidelines feature some new ideas and alignment with best environmental governance practices worldwide.<\/span><\/p>\n

In China, governance of the environment differs from that of other areas. The relevant government departments, legislative bodies and NGOs started experimenting with \u201cpublic participation\u201d and \u201cmulti-stakeholder governance\u201d relatively early; good practices have been built up based on resolving practical issues. The guidelines do a good job of affirming these practices, such as transparency of environmental information and green financing, but also propose directions for future development.<\/p>\n

The guidelines identify seven major systems and assign responsibilities to the various stakeholders (including government, business and the public). They make particular mention of the use of the market and public participation \u2013 which are steps forward.<\/span><\/p>\n

In 2012, you wrote that a new environmental governance system should be founded on the public\u2019s procedural rights: to be informed, to participate and to judicial redress. But these guidelines set out in detail the <\/strong>responsibilities of stakeholders. How do rights-based and responsibilities-based systems differ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

When we looked at the environmental sector nearly ten years ago, we saw mutual dependence and competition between the government, businesses and the public \u2013 with the public weakest. The public has an important role to play in effective environmental governance, but back then there were no channels for that to happen. Procedural rights are very important, in particular the right to be informed. If the public can\u2019t get information, they can\u2019t participate effectively.<\/span><\/p>\n

In the last decade, we\u2019ve seen historic progress on the transparency of environmental information. The relationships between government, businesses and the public have gradually become more positive. The public has access to data, which it uses to play a hugely beneficial role in environmental governance. Environmental information doesn\u2019t just help members of the public protect themselves. It means they can monitor polluters, bring environmental cases to court and participate in decision-making processes such as the approval of environmental impact assessments. <\/p>\n

Environmental rights are a part of human rights, the starting point for public participation in environmental governance and the foundation of a system of environmental legislation. The 2015 revision of China\u2019s environmental protection law affirmed the public\u2019s right to be informed, to participate and to hold actors accountable. The new guidelines follow on from that, but are more focused on the operational level and on practical environmental management plans. They are results-orientated and emphasise stakeholders\u2019 responsibilities during implementation. Meanwhile, though the guidelines don\u2019t refer to \u201crights\u201d when discussing public supervisory mechanisms, recognition of them is implicit.<\/p>\n

The guidelines are very specific on disclosure of corporate information, but do not have much to say on government information. What\u2019s your view on this?<\/strong><\/p>\n

The guidelines follow on from other rules and policies. There are already regulations and policies in place for openness of government information, and our ongoing tracking and evaluation has found big improvements on this in recent years. But business transparency hasn\u2019t improved and is nowhere near adequate for the needs of environmental governance. So that focus on business is very necessary.<\/p>\n

Also, environmental information from businesses is one part of government transparency. The public can\u2019t be expected to go and extract information from company after company in order to exercise its right to be informed. Ultimately, it has to be the government that makes sure businesses are fulfilling their obligations, and have an unavoidable responsibility to put policies and systems in place that they follow.<\/p>\n

Do you see any weaknesses in the guidelines on transparency? <\/strong><\/p>\n

The content of the guidelines reflects, rather than goes beyond, existing regulations. For example, they say companies should publish lists of pollutants, how they are released and the standards applied \u2013 but not the amount of pollutants released. We think the Ministry of Ecology and Environment should guide companies towards more comprehensive transparency \u2013 including amounts of pollutants, but also energy consumption and emissions of greenhouse gases.<\/p>\n

Also, the market-based governance mechanisms featured in the guidelines \u2013 pollution trading, environmental credit ratings, etc \u2013 won\u2019t work properly without full company-level info.<\/p>\n

We\u2019d like to see a little less governance by individuals. Modern environmental governance must be built on the rule of law.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

You\u2019ve emphasised that information is key to market-based governance. The guidelines specifically call for an environmental governance \u201cmarket system\u201d, with the private sector involved, including pollution trading and the development of green financing. Why is the market so important at this point?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Market participation in environmental governance is the result of openness of information and public participation. Interactions between stakeholders promote market mechanisms. For example, we\u2019ve recently seen state-owned banks trial the IPE\u2019s big-data-based system<\/a> for assessing corporate environmental credit ratings, using it to monitor the environmental performance of companies over the period of a loan. That data is also now being used in the issuing of green bonds. <\/p>\n

It\u2019s key that the guidelines emphasise the role of markets. The past five years have seen China bolster environmental regulations, with a large part of this involving building systems for holding officials to account and examining their performance. This has meant government at all levels working hard to tackle environmental pollution. But the impact of the trade war with the US and the coronavirus mean unprecedented pressure on the Chinese economy. Given this, it will be hard to maintain the intensity of the top-down government-led approach to environmental governance of recent years. Some localities want to relax environmental oversight, and we can assume a huge economic stimulus is on the way.<\/span><\/p>\n

We\u2019re currently at a crossroads for environmental protection and climate policy. To avoid making the old mistake of relaxing protections for the sake of a boost to the economy, we need to explore ways to build a modern environmental governance system, making more use of the market and public oversight. Because market-based environmental governance has the smallest economic impact: it establishes fair competition and allows the strongest to survive, punishing polluters and encouraging green businesses. China urgently needs an economic recovery, and market solutions may offer crucial help in balancing environmental protection with development. But this will require oversight by both the government and the public, or we risk market failures.<\/p>\n

The guidelines also stress \u201cParty leadership\u201d. How is Party involvement in environmental governance significant?<\/strong><\/p>\n

At all levels of government in China, the Party Secretaries are effectively in control, while their peers in administrative roles (governors, mayors, county chiefs, etc) are responsible for the day-to-day running of business. Now Party officials are to share responsibility for the environment, rather than simply holding administrative officials to account. In practice this will mean stronger accountability and implementation of environmental policy. <\/p>\n

But we also note the guidelines include the principle of \u201cgovernance by rule of law\u201d. These two aspects need to be considered together. Powerful individuals with authority can act quicker and resolutely, but they are also more likely to go astray, resulting in excessive or overly uniform approaches. We\u2019d like to see a little less governance by individuals. Modern environmental governance must be built on the rule of law.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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