{"id":40093007,"date":"2023-02-09T16:20:51","date_gmt":"2023-02-09T16:20:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chinadialogueocean.net\/?p=93007"},"modified":"2023-03-07T16:51:26","modified_gmt":"2023-03-07T16:51:26","slug":"enric-sala-when-we-give-space-to-the-ocean-it-comes-back-spectacularly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/ocean\/enric-sala-when-we-give-space-to-the-ocean-it-comes-back-spectacularly\/","title":{"rendered":"Enric Sala: \u2018When we give space to the ocean, it comes back spectacularly\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Enric Sala is both a leading ocean explorer and a visionary. Originally an academic, he grew tired of \u201cwriting the obituary of ocean life\u201d, and decided to start a new career finding ways to protect it. He approached National Geographic with an idea for a project that would \u201ccombine exploration, research and media to inspire governments to create marine reserves\u201d. Appointed a National Geographic fellow, he launched his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nationalgeographic.org\/projects\/pristine-seas\/\">Pristine Seas<\/a> initiative in 2008. Fifteen years on, the project has helped drive the creation of 26 marine protected areas (MPAs) covering more than 6.5 million square kilometres of ocean.* <\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"hide-expand block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20220712_Enric-Sala-at-Lisbon-ocean-conference_ReginaLam_ChinaDialogueOcean.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20220712_Enric-Sala-at-Lisbon-ocean-conference_ReginaLam_ChinaDialogueOcean-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20220712_Enric-Sala-at-Lisbon-ocean-conference_ReginaLam_ChinaDialogueOcean-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20220712_Enric-Sala-at-Lisbon-ocean-conference_ReginaLam_ChinaDialogueOcean.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"Enric Sala\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Enric Sala at the UN Ocean Conference in Portugal last year (Image: Regina Lam \/ China Dialogue Ocean)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20220712_Enric-Sala-at-Lisbon-ocean-conference_ReginaLam_ChinaDialogueOcean.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"2 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1707\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Under the Pristine Seas banner, Sala has travelled the world examining all sorts of different ocean ecosystems. He has studied everything from microbes and algae to large marine mammals, and he\u2019s reached places very few humans have been before. These experiences have shown him how important and beneficial it is to protect the world\u2019s marine environments, and given him evidence to convince politicians that changes need to be made. And he is succeeding. He considers himself an optimist, and as he told China Dialogue Ocean, he even dreams of one day taking Chinese President Xi Jinping on an expedition to the bottom of the ocean.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We caught up with Sala in June at the UN Ocean Conference in Lisbon, Portugal, to talk about his <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.nationalgeographic.org\/2022\/03\/15\/national-geographic-pristine-seas-embarks-on-unprecedented-expedition-in-colombia-to-support-new-marine-protected-areas-in-the-pacific-ocean-and-the-caribbean\/\">expedition<\/a> earlier in the year to the Pacific and Caribbean waters of Colombia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--wide\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"hide-expand block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20230203_Colombia-Pristine-Seas-map_English_EdHarrison_ChinaDialogueOcean.png\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20230203_Colombia-Pristine-Seas-map_English_EdHarrison_ChinaDialogueOcean-768x486.png 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20230203_Colombia-Pristine-Seas-map_English_EdHarrison_ChinaDialogueOcean-1024x648.png 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20230203_Colombia-Pristine-Seas-map_English_EdHarrison_ChinaDialogueOcean.png 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"map of Colombia's sea territories \"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Note: The map only shows the protected areas mentioned in this article. The islands of Serranilla and Bajo Nuevo are currently administered by Colombia but in an area disputed by Nicaragua.\u00a0(Data source: <a href=\"https:\/\/runap.parquesnacionales.gov.co\/\">Parques Nacionales Naturales de Colombia<\/a>; Graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/edharrison.co.uk\/\">Ed Harrison<\/a> \/ China Dialogue Ocean)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/20230203_Colombia-Pristine-Seas-map_English_EdHarrison_ChinaDialogueOcean.png\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"440 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1621\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-china-dialogue-ocean-can-you-tell-us-about-your-expedition\">China Dialogue Ocean: Can you tell us about your expedition?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Enric Sala:<\/strong> We went to provide scientific research to inform the process of creating several MPAs that the Colombian government committed to as part of their plan to protect 30% of their waters \u2013 not by 2030, but <em>before<\/em> 2030. We\u2019re talking eight years before the deadline. The expedition was fantastic, we were able to explore deep reefs with our submersible. We found an extraordinary abundance of deep-sea fish that were larger than anybody thought. Also, deep coral systems that had never been described before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Why is this area important to study?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Colombia has this gem, Malpelo Island, which is protected as a large marine sanctuary. We were able to survey the areas around the sanctuary. Malpelo sits on top of an underwater ridge. It\u2019s the only part of that ancient ridge that actually breaks the surface. We explored underwater seamounts, and we were able to demonstrate that not only Malpelo, but Malpelo Ridge \u2013 the entire chain of underwater mountains \u00ad\u2013 is extremely important. Not only for the biodiversity that is there, but also for the endangered species that migrate between these protected islands: Malpelo in Colombia, Cocos Island in Costa Rica [and the] Gal\u00e1pagos Islands in Ecuador. And very often they follow these underwater ridges. We found incredible abundances of hammerhead sharks \u2013 on the surface, in the middle of nowhere, 200 metres over the top of seamounts. These are features that we cannot see from the surface, but animals can feel them, and they use them as a migratory highway, like stepping stones between islands.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-map-embed block--map-embed\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__column\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__embed aspect-ratio--16-9\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/797291023?h=28800f2a95\"><\/iframe><\/div><div class=\"block--map-embed__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--map-embed__caption\">Audio: China Dialogue Ocean. Video footage: National Geographic<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Where does this highway go to and from?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>There is not a single highway. When people talk about a [wildlife] corridor, there is not \u201ca\u201d corridor. Animals migrate throughout the entire eastern tropical Pacific, and different species have different migratory pathways. For example, hammerhead sharks have been tagged in the Gal\u00e1pagos, and they travel to Cocos Island, they travel to Malpelo, and then from there, the females travel to the coast to give birth in the mangroves. So the connectivity of these corridors is very complex and they not only link these oceanic islands, they also link with the coast. Different habitats are essential for different life stages of these species.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Did you use any new tools or techniques during your expedition?&nbsp;<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We used Argo. It\u2019s a diving \u201cliveaboard\u201d [vessel] for tourists based in Costa Rica. They have this wonderful machine, the DeepSee submersible that goes down to 450 metres. Also we have our drop cams, which are basically glass balls that we can drop over the side of the boat and explore as deep as 6,000 metres. Then we have our scuba [gear] and diving rebreathers and remote cameras, so we were able to explore everything from the surface to the deepest habitats.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What was the most amazing thing that you saw?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We saw many amazing things. When we retrieved one of the cameras that we had on the surface, we saw over 20 hammerhead sharks in one frame, in the middle of nowhere \u2013 we were 200 miles from the shore. We also saw groupers that were so large they were 40% larger than the maximum size ever reported in scientific literature. We saw deep coral reefs with an extraordinary abundance of fish that had never been described. And in the Caribbean, also, we saw some of the largest abundances of sharks, on an atoll, one of the most remote atolls in the Caribbean \u2013 Serranilla \u2013&nbsp;in the northernmost part of Colombia\u2019s waters. That place is protected, because there is a little navy garrison there, so nobody goes there to fish. So it\u2019s not only one of the most remote places in the Caribbean, it is also one of the best preserved.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"hide-expand block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Masked-Booby-in-Colombia_Alamy_BP21YP-scaled.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Masked-Booby-in-Colombia_Alamy_BP21YP-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Masked-Booby-in-Colombia_Alamy_BP21YP-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Masked-Booby-in-Colombia_Alamy_BP21YP-scaled.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"white bird on rocky cliff overlooking ocean\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">A masked booby on the rocky outcrop of Malpelo in the eastern Pacific (Image: Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Masked-Booby-in-Colombia_Alamy_BP21YP-scaled.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"727 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1707\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"hide-expand block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Leather-bass-or-Marbled-Grouper-and-Pacific-Creolefishes_Alamy_2K0CFWG-scaled.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Leather-bass-or-Marbled-Grouper-and-Pacific-Creolefishes_Alamy_2K0CFWG-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Leather-bass-or-Marbled-Grouper-and-Pacific-Creolefishes_Alamy_2K0CFWG-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Leather-bass-or-Marbled-Grouper-and-Pacific-Creolefishes_Alamy_2K0CFWG-scaled.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"Many colourful fish of different species near ocean floor\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">A marbled grouper in the teeming waters off Malpelo (Image: Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Leather-bass-or-Marbled-Grouper-and-Pacific-Creolefishes_Alamy_2K0CFWG-scaled.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"925 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1706\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How will your discoveries be used now?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The scientific data that we collected has already been used by the Colombian government to designate protected areas around the underwater mountains that we visited. We are now producing a National Geographic film that is going to showcase Colombia\u2019s ocean conservation leadership.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Will your findings change any of the policies or the management of these areas?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>What we found helped to inform the <a href=\"https:\/\/missionblue.org\/2022\/06\/colombia-expands-mpa-at-malpelo-island-hope-spot-reaching-30x30-goals\/\">expansion<\/a> of the Malpelo Fauna and Flora Sanctuary. That\u2019s a no-take area where fishing and other damaging activities are banned. And our data also informed the creation of two new no-take marine reserves around the two northernmost atolls in the Caribbean belonging to Colombia [Serranilla and Bajo Nuevo]. Plus, the creation of a new area, the Colinas&nbsp;y&nbsp;Lomas Submarinas \u2013 underwater mountains and hills \u2013 which is going to be a marine managed area, also on the Pacific coast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What about other Latin American countries \u2013 what\u2019s their record when it comes to protecting the ocean?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>[Many] countries have a lot of work to do. For example, Peru apparently has 8% of its waters protected. But the area that\u2019s truly protected from fishing, where there is no fishing or other extractive or destructive activities, is negligible. It\u2019s much less than 1%. Peru happens to be a big fishing country, and its fishing industries oppose protections because they argue that this will harm them. This is a false argument. We have evidence from all over the world that when you create no-take zones, it allows species to recover and help repopulate the rest of the ocean. One example is Chile, which is also a big fishing country. It has protected 25% of its waters completely from fishing and other extractive activities. And now its fishing industry is very happy, because their catches are better. Marine reserves are not against fishing, they are an essential tool to allow fishing to continue in the future.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-map-embed block--map-embed\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__column\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__embed aspect-ratio--16-9\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/797291086?h=0714a505c4\"><\/iframe><\/div><div class=\"block--map-embed__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--map-embed__caption\">Audio: China Dialogue Ocean. Video footage: National Geographic<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What other reasons are there to protect the ocean?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s very important that everyone understands that protecting the ocean is not just something that benefits fish and corals. We all depend on a healthy ocean. It gives us more than half of the oxygen we breathe, which is produced by marine bacteria and microscopic algae. Most people don\u2019t know this. The ocean also helps to regulate the climate and capture some of the carbon pollution we put into the atmosphere. So we need a healthy ocean if we are to continue to thrive on this planet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Science has a fundamental role to play in providing information, but science takes time. Do we have enough time to make the changes we need?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Science takes time, but we have enough science to make decisions now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">So why aren\u2019t decisions being made?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Given all that we know, if decisions are not being made, it\u2019s because of pressure from economic and industrial groups that have short-term interests and do not really care about long-term sustainability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What can ordinary people do?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>There are many things ordinary people can do to help solve environmental issues. One is to vote properly for politicians who have a programme that is in line with conservation needs. The choice of politicians decides public policy. So, electing the right candidate is the most important thing the ordinary citizen can do. The other thing they can do is to eat more plants and fewer animals. We consume too much meat, and livestock use a lot of resources, land and fresh water, and also produce huge amounts of methane. So reducing meat consumption would help combat climate change. Half of agricultural land is used to feed livestock, which is a huge inefficiency. To be able to restore that land, which is in many cases degraded, to recover the natural ecosystems that offer so many benefits to society, that would be ideal. Besides, eating more plants is good for your health.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"hide-expand block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Riftia-tubeworms-low-temperature-hydrothermal-vent_NOAA_6837383487.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Riftia-tubeworms-low-temperature-hydrothermal-vent_NOAA_6837383487-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Riftia-tubeworms-low-temperature-hydrothermal-vent_NOAA_6837383487-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Riftia-tubeworms-low-temperature-hydrothermal-vent_NOAA_6837383487.jpg 1920w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 1920px\" alt=\"red and white tube worms at seafloor level\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Riftia tubeworms near a hydrothermal vent in the deep sea between Ecuador and the Gal\u00e1pagos Islands. Deep-sea mining has the potential to cause \u201cecological disaster\u201d in areas that are as yet little understood. (Image: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/oceanexplorergov\/6837383487\/\">NOAA<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/\">CC BY SA<\/a>)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2023\/02\/Riftia-tubeworms-low-temperature-hydrothermal-vent_NOAA_6837383487.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"1 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1080\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"1920\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">At this conference there has been a lot of talk about deep-sea mining. What are your feelings about what has been said so far?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Deep-sea mining has the potential to cause an ecological disaster. We don\u2019t have enough information about the ecosystems that would be affected by mining. And what would the climate change impacts be? We have seen that trawling, by disturbing sediments on the seabed, generates carbon dioxide emissions that are even greater than those from aviation globally. Deep-sea mining would disturb sediment on the seabed on a much larger scale, so it is very likely to generate carbon emissions that would contribute to and amplify global warming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">You were at the first ever UN Ocean Conference in 2017. How far have we come since then?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>It\u2019s been five years since the first UN Ocean Conference in New York. There is much more awareness about ocean issues. Back then, many \u2013 including conservation organisations \u2013 thought that the 30&#215;30 target [to protect <a href=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/nature\/cop15-reaches-historic-agreement-to-protect-biodiversity\/\">30% of the planet by 2030<\/a>] was too ambitious. Now we have over <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hacfornatureandpeople.org\/more-than-100-countries-now-formally-support-the-global-target-to-protect-at-least-30-of-the-planet-by-2030\">100 countries<\/a> supporting it. So that\u2019s progress. We have more countries that have created significant marine reserves where marine life thrives. But on aggregate, the ocean is in worse shape than it was in 2017. There\u2019s been more fishing: today more than three-quarters of our fish stocks are exploited to the limit or over-exploited. Plastic pollution has grown dramatically. Dead zones continue to increase. Invasive species continue to invade ecosystems, destroying the natural balance and also creating huge economic losses. We have more extreme weather events because of global warming, which is also raising the sea level and destroying coastal habitats and infrastructure. So we are in worse shape, even though we\u2019ve had some progress. The good news, and this is what I\u2019m optimistic about, is that we know that when we give space to the ocean, the ocean comes back spectacularly. I\u2019ve seen it with my own eyes. We see it in these marine reserves that have been created by local communities, Indigenous peoples and governments. And we know what we have to do, we just have to replicate this on scale.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-map-embed block--map-embed\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__column\"><div class=\"block--map-embed__embed aspect-ratio--16-9\"><iframe src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/797291147?h=d33f911c8e\"><\/iframe><\/div><div class=\"block--map-embed__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--map-embed__caption\">Audio: China Dialogue Ocean. Video footage: National Geographic<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How optimistic can we be about conferences like this one?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The problem with these conferences is that much of the time is spent repeating the obvious: that the ocean is vital to our lives, that we are degrading the ocean, that it is important that we do something, that such-and-such a country is committed to policies to conserve the ocean. Things we\u2019ve heard for 20 years. People who come here to repeat the same thing are wasting their time; they\u2019re wasting everyone\u2019s time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But I am optimistic because there have been extraordinary announcements at this conference. There has been action beyond empty words. For example, the government of Colombia has designated new MPAs that bring its protected waters to 30%. And they have achieved this eight years from 2030, which was the proposed target. If they have done it, more countries can do it. I wish more countries had come to Lisbon to announce similar things. But the fact that both Colombia this year and Costa Rica last year have met this goal gives me hope that other countries can achieve it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>*<em>[Editor&#8217;s note: These figures were updated on 13\/02\/2023 to reflect new information.]<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The National Geographic explorer talks about his recent Pristine Seas expedition and the importance of protecting 30% of our ocean by 2030<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3907,"featured_media":40093011,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[50039901],"tags":[523,40027778],"hashtags":[],"country":[50000025],"class_list":["post-40093007","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-ocean","tag-conservation","tag-marine-protection","country-colombia"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast 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