{"id":78892,"date":"2022-04-28T15:42:51","date_gmt":"2022-04-28T15:42:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chinadialogue.net\/?p=78892"},"modified":"2022-05-06T13:48:15","modified_gmt":"2022-05-06T13:48:15","slug":"qa-lessons-on-a-just-transition-from-20th-century-germany","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/climate\/qa-lessons-on-a-just-transition-from-20th-century-germany\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&#038;A: Lessons on a just transition from 20th-century Germany"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-drop-cap\">Experts are increasingly certain that policies to tackle climate change must be accompanied by a socially just transition if they are to be effective and publicly accepted. But what exactly is such a transition and how might it be achieved?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I spoke with Dr Hanna Brauers, a postdoctoral researcher at Europa-Universit\u00e4t Flensburg in Germany. Brauers is a co-author on a <a href=\"https:\/\/epub.wupperinst.org\/frontdoor\/deliver\/index\/docId\/7942\/file\/7942_Structural_Change_Processes.pdf\">recent report<\/a> exploring two periods of structural change and associated policies in German coal regions. The first concerned the gradual loss of competitiveness of the western Ruhr area\u2019s hard coal mining industry, between the 1950s and 2010s. The second was a more recent lignite mining phase-down in Lusatia, eastern Germany, driven by disruptive change after Germany\u2019s reunification in 1990.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Prosper-colliery-Bottrop-1950s\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Prosper-colliery-Bottrop-1950s\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum-768x548.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Prosper-colliery-Bottrop-1950s\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum-1024x731.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Prosper-colliery-Bottrop-1950s\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"The Prosper colliery in Bottrop in the early 1950s, when coal mining still dominated Germany\u2019s Ruhr region\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">The Prosper colliery in Bottrop in the early 1950s, when coal mining still dominated Germany\u2019s Ruhr region (Image \u00a9 Josef Stoffels \/ Ruhr Museum Photo Archive\uff09<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Prosper-colliery-Bottrop-1950s\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"1 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1827\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Gemany-miners-work-at-Prosper-Haniel-colliery_Alamy_PB3BH5.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Gemany-miners-work-at-Prosper-Haniel-colliery_Alamy_PB3BH5-768x515.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Gemany-miners-work-at-Prosper-Haniel-colliery_Alamy_PB3BH5-1024x686.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Gemany-miners-work-at-Prosper-Haniel-colliery_Alamy_PB3BH5.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\" Gemany miners work at Prosper Haniel colliery\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Miners working in 2018, at a depth of 1,250 metres, in the Prosper colliery (by then renamed Prosper-Haniel), just before it closed. As the last mine still operating in the Ruhr, its closure marked the end of an era. (Image: Oliver Berg \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Gemany-miners-work-at-Prosper-Haniel-colliery_Alamy_PB3BH5.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"989 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1716\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Brauers\u2019 analysis is not just important for Germany, which plans to phase out coal by 2030, but for other countries in Europe and elsewhere that must also shift their economies away from coal in the coming years. The analysis has several lessons that might inform and inspire policymaking to help coal regions transition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-alice-bomboy-the-two-phase-outs-you-explored-with-your-team-were-very-different-why-was-it-important-to-look-into-the-past\">Alice Bomboy: The two phase-outs you explored with your team were very different. Why was it important to look into the past?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Hanna Brauers: <\/strong>We investigated the past but our main motivation was to look into the future. We are now all aware that climate change is happening. That means we need to handle rather quickly many phase-out processes, in all sectors, which contribute to global warming. How can we do it? We have faced and solved so many of these challenges in the past already, so why not be inspired by these two case studies? The phase-out of hard coal mining in the Ruhr area is of great interest because it was handled comparatively well: the German and regional governments got heavily involved with packages of different policies over time. Officials wanted to manage it in a socially just way, and we could see it as an example of a just transition process. In Germany, it is often called \u201cmanaging structural change\u201d rather than \u201cjust transition\u201d but the two phrases mean very similar things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Kindergarten-Emil-Emscher-colliery-1959\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Kindergarten-Emil-Emscher-colliery-1959\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum-768x546.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Kindergarten-Emil-Emscher-colliery-1959\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum-1024x728.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Kindergarten-Emil-Emscher-colliery-1959\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"Kindergarten children play in a sandpit by the Emil-Emscher colliery in the Ruhr\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Kindergarten children play in a sandpit by the Emil-Emscher colliery in the Ruhr, 1959. Many communities in the region were wholly reliant on the coal industry at this time. Policies to slow its decline over subsequent decades allowed more time to engineer a socially just transition. (Image \u00a9 Josef Stoffels \/ Ruhr Museum Photo Archive\uff09<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/20220428_Kindergarten-Emil-Emscher-colliery-1959\u00a9JosefStoffels_RuhrMuseum.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"1 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1821\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">How can we apply the lessons from these past transitions to the challenge we\u2019re facing now with climate change?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Of course, climate change issues didn\u2019t play a big role in the coal mining phase-out examples that we looked at. In the Ruhr area, the decline of coal started in 1957. Climate change was in people\u2019s minds at the end of this process, as the last hard coal mine closed more than 60 years later in 2018, but it was definitely not a driver when it began. What mattered to us was to bring to light the paths to a socially fair transition and to see how we could adapt those paths to our current situation. In other projects, we looked at what happened in other countries, like the UK, which also implemented a coal mining phase-out: they had fewer accompanying social policies and the resulting social hardships there were a lot worse and continue to this day. It was very important to us to make comparisons between different areas and see what had an impact, and what kind of impacts, and how we can draw conclusions from these experiences and build better structural changes for the future. However, a key point is that many policies were meant to slow down the decline of coal, instead of accelerating it. We cannot afford that now, given the climate emergency.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/brown-coal-open-cast-Schlabendorf-Sud-in-the-former-GDR-district-of-Cottbus-in-Germany_Alamy_R8AH9H.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/brown-coal-open-cast-Schlabendorf-Sud-in-the-former-GDR-district-of-Cottbus-in-Germany_Alamy_R8AH9H-768x513.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/brown-coal-open-cast-Schlabendorf-Sud-in-the-former-GDR-district-of-Cottbus-in-Germany_Alamy_R8AH9H-1024x684.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/brown-coal-open-cast-Schlabendorf-Sud-in-the-former-GDR-district-of-Cottbus-in-Germany_Alamy_R8AH9H.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"Clinking cold in brown coal open-cast Schlabendorf-Sud in the former GDR district of Cottbus (Brandenburg) on New Year's Day 01.01.1979\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">The now-closed Schlabendorf-S\u00fcd opencast lignite mine in former East Germany\u2019s Lusatia in 1979. The region\u2019s coal industry went into decline following Germany\u2019s reunification in 1990, although mining still continues to this day. (Image: Erich Schutt \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/brown-coal-open-cast-Schlabendorf-Sud-in-the-former-GDR-district-of-Cottbus-in-Germany_Alamy_R8AH9H.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"605 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1709\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Mining-machines-in-the-Welzow-Su\u0308d-open-cast-mine-in-Lusatia-Germany_Michel-Meijer-Alamy_2DJ4HMW.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Mining-machines-in-the-Welzow-Su\u0308d-open-cast-mine-in-Lusatia-Germany_Michel-Meijer-Alamy_2DJ4HMW-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Mining-machines-in-the-Welzow-Su\u0308d-open-cast-mine-in-Lusatia-Germany_Michel-Meijer-Alamy_2DJ4HMW-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Mining-machines-in-the-Welzow-Su\u0308d-open-cast-mine-in-Lusatia-Germany_Michel-Meijer-Alamy_2DJ4HMW.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\" Mining machines in the Welzow-Su\u0308d open-cast mine in Lusatia Germany\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Welzow-S\u00fcd is one of only a few opencast lignite mines still operating in Lusatia. It\u2019s on a massive scale, churning out nearly 18 million tonnes of this low-grade coal every year. (Image: Michel Meijer \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Mining-machines-in-the-Welzow-Su\u0308d-open-cast-mine-in-Lusatia-Germany_Michel-Meijer-Alamy_2DJ4HMW.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"577 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1707\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--wide\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Solar-plant-at-conveyer-brigde-F60-in-Lichterfeld-Germany_Andreas-Werth_Alamy_2C8DKYK-scaled.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Solar-plant-at-conveyer-brigde-F60-in-Lichterfeld-Germany_Andreas-Werth_Alamy_2C8DKYK-768x481.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Solar-plant-at-conveyer-brigde-F60-in-Lichterfeld-Germany_Andreas-Werth_Alamy_2C8DKYK-1024x641.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Solar-plant-at-conveyer-brigde-F60-in-Lichterfeld-Germany_Andreas-Werth_Alamy_2C8DKYK-scaled.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"Solar plant at conveyer brigde F60 in Lichterfeld Germany\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Elsewhere in Lusatia, landscapes scarred by decades of mining are being restored. The Lichterfeld mine has been turned into a museum, its 11,000-tonne conveyor bridge still standing as a testament to the region\u2019s industrial past. (Image: Andreas Werth \/ Alamy)\u00a0<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Solar-plant-at-conveyer-brigde-F60-in-Lichterfeld-Germany_Andreas-Werth_Alamy_2C8DKYK-scaled.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"1 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1603\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What are the main lessons learned from these past coal phase-outs?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We saw that these processes shifted over time. At the beginning, policy programmes were mainly focusing on protecting jobs and the coal and steel industries. But they gradually began to switch to something rather different: creating new industries and job opportunities for these regions, as well as a focus on improving quality of life more generally. From building more infrastructure, more roads and railways to connect the cities and industry in the area, they later started investing in research, universities, in training the workforce in new skills, and creating clusters and connections between academia and industry. Policies also focused on cultural and recreational activities, as well as mine restoration. Policy programmes moved from reactive approaches to forward-looking policies, and the idea emerged that to be a better-off region, you had to use your past but couldn\u2019t only cling to it: you had to build something new and more diverse. Also, it becomes apparent now, that if you just switch from being dependent on the coal industry to another single-industry sector, the same challenges are likely to re-emerge sooner or later.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Hydrogen-Competence-Centre-in-Herten-Germany_Jochen-Tack_Alamy_2AYTRBK.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Hydrogen-Competence-Centre-in-Herten-Germany_Jochen-Tack_Alamy_2AYTRBK-768x504.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Hydrogen-Competence-Centre-in-Herten-Germany_Jochen-Tack_Alamy_2AYTRBK-1024x672.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Hydrogen-Competence-Centre-in-Herten-Germany_Jochen-Tack_Alamy_2AYTRBK.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\" Hydrogen Competence Centre in Herten, Germany\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Once the heartland of coal, the Ruhr is now seeking to play a central role in Germany\u2019s energy transition. One pioneer is the Hydrogen Competence Centre, based in the former Ewald colliery in Herten, where a project demonstrating the production of green hydrogen was initiated in 2018. (Image: Jochen Tack \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Hydrogen-Competence-Centre-in-Herten-Germany_Jochen-Tack_Alamy_2AYTRBK.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"979 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1679\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Assembly-of-a-wind-power-plant-in-Germany_-Rupert-Oberha\u0308user_Alamy_W54ACD.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Assembly-of-a-wind-power-plant-in-Germany_-Rupert-Oberha\u0308user_Alamy_W54ACD-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Assembly-of-a-wind-power-plant-in-Germany_-Rupert-Oberha\u0308user_Alamy_W54ACD-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Assembly-of-a-wind-power-plant-in-Germany_-Rupert-Oberha\u0308user_Alamy_W54ACD.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\"A wind turbine being assembled in Bottrop.\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">A wind turbine being assembled in Bottrop. The number of jobs in Germany\u2019s renewable energy sector is rising quickly, and the trend is set to continue thanks to the country\u2019s pledge to become greenhouse gas neutral by 2045. (Image: Rupert Oberh\u00e4user\u00a0\/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Assembly-of-a-wind-power-plant-in-Germany_-Rupert-Oberha\u0308user_Alamy_W54ACD.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"470 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1707\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Does the current profound reorganisation of the energy sector, happening now in several European countries, reinforce the need for a former coal area to diversify its activities?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Transitioning coal regions can of course use part of their assets, knowledge and capacities in the energy sector. But we are clearly moving, at least in Germany, from a super-centralised fossil fuel infrastructure based in a few regions to renewable energy infrastructures that are more decentralised. A former coal area could use its expertise in energy and specialise in the manufacture of wind turbine blades for instance, but it\u2019s just not going to be the same scale as the coal industry was. It is important to diversify into other fields and not just rely on past expertise in energy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Your report emphasises the importance of transparency during a transition, and the need to explain that transition processes are not always straightforward and that negative aspects cannot always be compensated.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>This is indeed what we developed in the report. But my personal point of view has evolved on this aspect, and I now fear that if you communicate too much about the uncertainties and the hardship carried by a transition process, people might be discouraged and reluctant to join and support it. This is a discussion we often have about climate change. Look at the IPCC conclusions: they clearly indicate that we need to change our lifestyle, that this very needed transition will have large consequences on our way of life and that those can\u2019t always be compensated in one way or another. Do people feel ready for that? Not really. The same discussions are happening now about the war in Ukraine: most of us say we want to end this invasion, but Germany is not really willing to pay the price of ending Russian gas imports, for example. I won\u2019t talk much about the pandemic but it clearly shows how people are not good at handling uncertainties.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Nochten-erratic-block-park-is-located-on-the-site-of-a-former-open-cast-mine_Sebastian-Kahnert-Alamy_2BW3A83.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Nochten-erratic-block-park-is-located-on-the-site-of-a-former-open-cast-mine_Sebastian-Kahnert-Alamy_2BW3A83-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Nochten-erratic-block-park-is-located-on-the-site-of-a-former-open-cast-mine_Sebastian-Kahnert-Alamy_2BW3A83-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Nochten-erratic-block-park-is-located-on-the-site-of-a-former-open-cast-mine_Sebastian-Kahnert-Alamy_2BW3A83.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\" Nochten erratic block park is located on the site of a former open-cast mine\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">This park overlooking the Boxberg lignite power plant in Lusatia has been rehabilitated. It was once part of the nearby Nochten opencast mine, which is still in operation. On the other side of the power plant, a similar area has been transformed into a recreational lake. (Image: Sebastian Kahnert \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Nochten-erratic-block-park-is-located-on-the-site-of-a-former-open-cast-mine_Sebastian-Kahnert-Alamy_2BW3A83.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"1 MB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1707\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019d now say that a more effective communication approach would be to enlighten people on what is being implemented, which new opportunities are being created along the transition process: when a region phases out coal, life improves in terms of air and water quality, and it can also move from a male-dominated industry that is harmful to human health and the climate, to a more inclusive, gender equal and safer labour market, while still ensuring well-paid jobs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What are the challenges to better involving stakeholders in such transition processes?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>The participation of diverse stakeholders is a key point for a successful process. In Germany, this has been organised repeatedly with commissions, including different representatives such as the industry, unions and citizens from impacted villages. These local representatives were included in the phase-out decision-making process, and also in suggesting new projects in the regions that can receive funding. However, this involvement should always be paired with high-level strategic thinking about the direction a region could move in. Otherwise, there\u2019s a high risk that these local initiatives will focus on what they know already and might reproduce past schemes, unfit for the changes to our economies due to the climate crisis and other challenges that we can already foresee.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">What advice would you give to other regions committed to phasing out coal, whether in Europe or elsewhere in the world, such as China?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Mainly to be quick and to act holistically. Climate change requires us to change rapidly. Staying behind and waiting until you have no choice but to change is a very bad option. The situation in Europe <a href=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/en\/energy\/europe-strives-to-end-dependency-on-russian-gas\/\">regarding Russian gas<\/a> is a perfect example: the countries that haven\u2019t already taken the steps to get rid of their dependency are experiencing a much harder dilemma now and it will cost them more money and will have bigger impacts on them. In terms of energy, and more broadly in terms of climate, planning ahead definitely makes sense if it\u2019s paired with quick actions. From a policymaker\u2019s perspective, ensuring people don\u2019t get stuck in their fear that everything is going to be worse \u2013 because it doesn\u2019t have to be \u2013 can make the process a lot easier. One last important point would be not to focus the diversification on centralised, male-dominated industries, but to create a future where everybody, men and women, have meaningful and well-paid jobs. This could open many more opportunities to everyone, not just the mining and heavy industries, and in the end create a more resilient society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-cd-article-image aligncenter block--article-image block--article-image--article\" itemscope itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/ImageObject\"><div class=\"block--article-image__column\"><div class=\"block--article-image__image\"><img class=\"lazy\" data-src=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Miners-demonstrate-outside-the-first-Lusatia-Conference-in-2019_Patrick-Pleul_Alamy_WPDY7P.jpg\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Miners-demonstrate-outside-the-first-Lusatia-Conference-in-2019_Patrick-Pleul_Alamy_WPDY7P-768x475.jpg 768w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Miners-demonstrate-outside-the-first-Lusatia-Conference-in-2019_Patrick-Pleul_Alamy_WPDY7P-1024x633.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Miners-demonstrate-outside-the-first-Lusatia-Conference-in-2019_Patrick-Pleul_Alamy_WPDY7P.jpg 2560w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 768px, (max-width: 1024px) 1024px, 2560px\" alt=\" Miners demonstrate outside the first Lusatia Conference in 2019\"\/><\/div><div class=\"block--article-image__content\"><div itemprop=\"caption\" class=\"block--article-image__caption\">Miners demonstrate outside the first Lusatia Conference in 2019, organised to discuss structural change in the region. While some demonstrators warned the phase-out of coal would mean death for local communities, others sought to remind conference attendees that the energy transition should not fail to take their future employment into account. This sign reads: \u201cLet\u2019s give Lusatia a future\u201d. (Image: Patrick Pleul \/ Alamy)<\/div><\/div><\/div><meta itemprop=\"contentUrl\" content=\"https:\/\/dialogue.earth\/content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/Miners-demonstrate-outside-the-first-Lusatia-Conference-in-2019_Patrick-Pleul_Alamy_WPDY7P.jpg\"\/><meta itemprop=\"contentSize\" content=\"772 KB\"\/><meta itemprop=\"height\" content=\"1583\"\/><meta itemprop=\"width\" content=\"2560\"\/><meta itemprop=\"author\"\/><meta itemprop=\"representativeOfPage\" content=\"true\"\/><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>The full report, \u201cStructural change in coal regions as a process of economic and social-ecological transformation,\u201d can be read <a href=\"https:\/\/epub.wupperinst.org\/frontdoor\/deliver\/index\/docId\/7942\/file\/7942_Structural_Change_Processes.pdf\">here.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>As Germany tries to end coal use by 2030, two phase-downs of coal mining from last century can provide valuable lessons on getting the social aspect 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